Got It!!! had to change the beta a bit, but Dita von Teese Eliminate is no longer a project. climbed with jarred, he got Zulu (V7) and made it look smooth and easy. just after that i sent the new problem, maybe V6, probably hard V5. so it was a very good day. pizza and wine after that wasn't too bad either... off to the Lori Cumstain Boulder at the blodget campground for lunch today, then loHo after work. busy days, busy days!